Two years ago, I spotted a couple of chunky sweaters on the top of a unit in the Anderson & Sheppard Haberdashery, in London.
I got them down and tried them on: they were big, ribbed shawl-collar cardigans. Like the classic style we know from Drake’s and elsewhere, but the most indulgent, luxurious version you can conceive.
I asked Audie and the team about them, and it turned out they were the last remaining pieces from a style they did right at the beginning of the shop, and had discontinued.
After admiring the cardigans over another couple of visits, I ended up buying one in cream - even though it wasn’t the right size. It was a Large, and a Medium would have been better; but there were no Mediums left.
Still, it was a beautiful piece and I have enjoyed wearing it - it was featured in a photoshoot with Baudoin & Lange and subsequent post on layering knitwear here.
At the beginning of this year, I approached A&S with the idea of re-making the style, but sold through the PS Shop.
I could understand why the Haberdashery might have to discontinue it - they already have dozens of styles - but it seemed a shame it wasn’t available.
We agreed, after a few conversations that revealed the design was based on an old piece that Audie used to sell with Dougie Hayward, when Hayward was alive and Audie ran the shop on Mount Street.
We would make a fairly small run, in just navy, with a few minor tweaks of my own - such as adding a loop to fasten the lapel across the neck.
This, pictured, is the result.
Frankly a ridiculously sumptuous piece of knitwear, made in Scotland from 12-ply cashmere, and perhaps the perfect thing to sit around at Christmas and receive presents in.
Like all shawl-collar cardigans of this type, it has prominent ribbing that helps retain shape. But these are bigger and chunkier, wrapping the body. I particularly like the effect of those ribs running around the shoulders and back of the neck.
It can be left open, with the the collar down; or the collar can be turned up for warmth and comfort, and buttoned just at the waist or across the chest.
I’m wearing a Medium, and like this sizing on me: it’s loose but not sloppy, and still hugs the body when you do it up.
The horn buttons are dark brown and unpolished - my favourite - and we have deliberately basted the pockets shut. So you can snip them open if you want, but they won’t sag if you would rather keep things neater.
Other small design changes I made were the removal of a button on the very bottom of the cardigan - as it was really not needed - and that loop to fasten the neck.
It is something to mostly wear around the home, but I do also fasten it up high, stick on a watch cap, and walk around to the shops or a café.
We welcomed a new daughter into our family recently (thank you, in advance) which has meant many sleepless nights. Mine currently sits neatly folded on the chest of drawers, warm and reassuring at 5am when I get up with her.
I've also deliberately photographed it with two outfits - one smart, one casual. As ever, versatility is key to this piece's appeal for me.
The smart outfit of white oxford shirt, light-grey flannel trousers and black loafers (below) is the most formal look many men need today.
The casual one (two shots up) is more for that walk round to the café at the weekend: old T-shirt, well-worn jeans and simple white trainers.
Measurements of the cardigan are below.
As always we recommend comparing them to something you already own, rather than try to go off height or chest measurements of yourself. So much of fit is personal preference, particularly in a piece like this.
For those that don’t know, though, I’m 6 foot tall with a 39-inch chest.
Importantly, there is also a size run of the cardigans in the Anderson & Sheppard Haberdashery.
You can’t buy them there at the moment, but you can try on the sizes to see which is right for you, and then order from the PS Shop. We only have 30 pieces this time, so apologies if they go fast.
The cardigan costs £785 + VAT.
Measurements
| Extra Small | Small | Medium | Large | Extra large | |
| Chest | 51cm | 53 | 55 | 57 | 61 |
| Length | 63 | 65 | 69 | 70 | 71 |
| Sleeve | 76 | 78 | 79 | 83 | 85 |
(Chest is pit to pit; length is centre back neck to hem; sleeve is centre back neck to end of cuff. Do bear in mind that sizes might seem large as well, given the thickness of the material.)
Note: Mr Porter also ordered shawl-collar cardigans from Anderson & Sheppard this season, but the design is different and they are in a strong bottle green.
Photography: Milad Abedi @milad_abedi. Including the odd one below of me practising the old balance-a-teaspoon-on-your-nose trick.
Oh, this is something so indulgent that I have wanted a long time. I just dont know if it is something that I could wear to such and extent as to justify buying it (at this time anyways when shoes and suits are prioritised). As previously mentioned I find indoors to be too warm these days for most things and surely this is as hot as it gets?
Good point Nicolas – but actually I find it fine when undone. And you can then do it all the way up when you go outside. The advantage of a cardigan over a sweater
Wonderful item! I will pass as I have the similar shawl collar cardigan from Drakes in navy lambswool. I like it very much but will not spend the money for something that is just marginally better. But I can really recommend this kind of item if you dont have something like it already. I usually use mine when I come home from job and let it replace the office sport coat.
Wow, this is a wonderful piece, the kind of cardigan you just want to hug and spend your weekend in, near the fireplace, with a cup of hot chocolate / coffee / rum / whisky / whatever. 🙂
Too bad it’s in navy, as I already have a “similar” (albeit not so luxurious) navy chunky merino cardigan. It’s 1kg of pure merino wool, and one of my snugiest pieces.
As for the Drake’s cardigans, do you have any of them, and if yes are they scratchy or not ? I recall they’re in lambswool, not merino, and am therefore scared they would scratch, even through a shirt.
PS : congrats on your 2nd daughter. 😉 I understand the tired eyes on some of your recent photos haha.
Yes I have and really like the Drake’s ones – they do lambswool and cashmere though, and I have the cashmere.
Many thanks, though actually it’s three daughters!
Congratulations Simon to you and family upon the arrival of your daughter! And thanks for making another beautifully designed garment available for us readers.
I have the Drakes one in lambs wool. I don’t find it itchy at all.
Hi Simon,
How would you compare the fit to the Drake’s cashmere shawl collar? I tried the Drake’s ones but was a bit disappointed that the fit was quite bomber jackety, and overall felt quite short.
Thanks,
Sam
It’s a rather different style to that – longer most obviously, as you can see in the shots. Finishing at a jacket length rather than on the hips.
And thicker overall, with more ribbing detail. Also a little looser in the knit.
Hi Simon
Just alerting you to a couple of typos:
I’ve also deliberately photographer it with two outfits
Including the odd one below of me pratising the old balance-a-teaspoon-on-your-nose trick
Keep up the good work – congrats on the birth of your daughter!
Tom
Thanks on both counts Tom!
Very nice, Simon! Two quick questions:
1. If the Drakes one is 4 ply and this one is 12 ply, does that mean that this one uses four times as much cashmere?
2. How would you compare the “use case” of your cardigan against Drake’s?
Many congratulations on your daugther!
1. I assume you mean three times? And yes it means the yarn has three times more, but of course the overall use of cashmere is dependent a lot on the size of the piece, and the density of the knitting.
2. I think the use case is very similar, for example in terms of the places and opportunities I would wear one. The exception is that I can wear my Drake’s under a coat. I would not generally wear this one under most coats.
Can you elaborate on why you think this cardigan shouldn’t be worn under a coat?
It will just be too bulky, unless it’s a very roomy raglan-shouldered raincoat, or something large and drop-shouldered like my Connolly herringbone
Love it! Top look reminds me of Kurt Cobain MTV Unplugged, just slightly polished.
Congratulations on both products lol!
Nice, and I was actually expecting a higher price.
Congratulations on the birth of your daughter. I don’t think I’d want to wear this piece anywhere near my son – not now as a toddler and definitely not as a newborn!
In considering the sizing, how much should we subtract from the measurements to account for the thickness of the cardigan. E.g. if a size small has a chest of 53 cm, what should I subtract to get a closer approximation to the inside measurement?
Good point. I’d say 2cm (1cm thickness to the material, on either side)
Thanks, most helpful. This adjustment seems to roughly correspond to the differences in sizing for some of your other collaboration products. E.g. a small here seems to be about 2 cm wider than PS shirts and coats. So if a small works with other products, most likely it should work here.
Congratulations on the newest addition to the family!
Is sizing similar to the other PS sweaters? Shirts?
Thanks
Roughly, yes, but given how different this piece is, I’d strongly suggest comparing it to a sweater you already have (and bearing in mind the point above in the comments, about the thickness adding another centimetre)
12-ply, now that is what I call warm. Excellent work and detail (as always) on this Simon. I particularly love the shade you’ve gone for, plenty of depth. Many congratulations to you and the family on your new daughter.
Dear Simon, that is one lovely cardigan. Regarding sizing, do you mind providing inside chest measurements since the ones shown above seem to be a bit on the higher side and must have been measured on the rather bulky outside. I do have 44 inch chest (112cm). Even the small size with its 53 inches would be way too large for me which cannot be true when you’re wearing a medium with a 39 inch chest ;-). Cheers in advance, Fatih
I think you might have misunderstood the measurements Fatih.
The small is 53 cm, not 53 inches. And it’s the width from armpit to armpit, rather than all the way around (as your chest measurement is).
53cm is roughly 21 inches, so it’s 21 inches in width, or 44 inches all the way round.
As suggested above, you can take off 2cm for the thickness of the fabric. So that makes 51cm width inside, or 20 inches, and 40 inches all the way around.
How much room you want inside the garment is up to you, but it certainly shouldn’t be skin tight.
That’s why we always recommend people to measure a garment they have, rather than go off their body measurements. The room inside varies between types of clothing, and is personal.
My 39-inch chest would be rather close in a 40-inch piece, which is why the Medium fits me better.
My bad! Thanks for clarifying. XL seems to be the right size for me then.
Hi Simon. I do have Dartmorr & finest Knitwear from PS in size Large. Do you think sizing is similar here (althougt different style / material) ?If so, gonna pick a Large one asap.
Also have a cashmere one from Drakes, size 42
Hey Benoit. As ever I’d suggest measuring something you already have – and that Drakes one would be perfect.
However a Large is probably correct, yes. Just measure the other one to save you the hassle of an exchange!
Hello Simon
Still an occasional reader, although haven’t posted in a while.
Just picked up on the birth of your third daughter; many congratulations! I am also the father of three girls, albeit they have all long flown the nest. I’ve just returned from three weeks in Melbourne, where my eldest has an amazing career in theatrical PR. Despite everything, she retains most of the quirks she had when she was tiny.
You have much to look forward to!!
What are the jeans pictured in the casual outfit? Thanks
My bespoke ones from Levi’s. Have a search on the site – plenty of info on them
Hi Simon,
Beautiful cardigan. I also have the Drake’s one in cashmere, which weight 950gr in size S. Out of curiosity, how much does this one weight ?
Thanks !
I don’t know actually Mael. I’ll see if I can find out
Interesting project. Is there a noticeable weight or warmth difference between this and Drake´s?
It will be a little heavier, but not much. And given the size and ply, certainly warmer
Congrats on your baby daughter first of all..
I have been on the lookout for a similar cardigan after I first saw your cream one last year.. Any thoughts of making a cream one maybe? or a lighter colour than navy at least ..?
From the measurements you list I would guess that I would need an xl as my chest is 57,5 cm plus I am 196 cm tall .. Would you reckon an xl would be the right size for mr porter’s model ?
Thanks…
No cream in the foreseeable future im afraid.
Probably yes, though as ever best to measure something you already have
My favorite non-tailored piece is a substantial navy shawl collared cardigan, and this one is positively off the charts.
Congratulations on your growing family as well!
Just ordered size M and am super excited about it.
Would ABSOLUTELY be interested in other colors if this one is a hit (and I think it will be) – especially cream as in your original sweater. Anything like that in the works?
Not soon I’m afraid, but perhaps next winter
Excellent and no worries.
FWIW, I think natural/cream would be an EXCELLENT second color if you do another run next winter. A charcoal or forest green would be great too but would cover similar ground to navy; cream conquers new territory.
Noted, much appreciated Ben
Hey Ben – I have a Drake’s 38 Cream Cashmere that my wife has vetoed if you’re interested? I’m a M in all other PS jumpers and the Drake’s 38 is the right size for me so suspect it is for you too
A great looking cardigan Simon! I
understand how cosy it must be for
days by the fire or relaxing after a day’s
industry. For readers can you describe or
elucidate on the weight (12 oz?) please, also could you move to an inches measurement guide – as your readers in UK, USA, Australia will be reaching for the converter (Europe is in cms but Japan is in inches though S/M/L are proportionately smaller).
If a larger run follows, perhaps with a wool/cashmere blend for longevity, might you look at the set-in sleeve? Raglan might be more trad. but I think the offerings from Cucinelli, Drake’s and Kingsman are more flattering in the shoulder.
Great images by the way and congratulations on your third daughter!
I can only imagine how luxuriously comfy this is. It’ll surely be another popular piece, Simon.
Congrats on your new daughter!
Gotta ask: which mill knit these? Lockie or Scott & Charters?
A veritable sartorial masterpiece.
As Simon suggests it will be perfect to wear whilst receiving gifts !
I have a similar shawl neck from Dunhill that I normally wear whilst giving gifts.
I bought it about 10 years ago. It is 98% cashmere and 2% silk and is in a beautiful shade of grey. It cost over £900 at the time so, I suppose that adjusted for inflation, this PS incarnation is a mere bagatelle.
The question becomes, would it be too pretentious to sport different sweaters for receiving and giving ?
On reflection, as this is the season of goodwill to all men ( including myself) , I don’t think so albeit, I think I’ll sport the grey for receiving and the blue for giving.
In any event, more important than any of the gifting, I find that the prospect of me capturing my own reflection as a flash buy wearing one of these has me positively feinting with excitement.
That’s reason enough. Now, where is my charge card ?
Bravo Simon on this fabulous development !
Hi Simon….great cardigan and I can see the usage and versatility particularly for Fridays/Weekends. Congratulations on your new arrival, I have another on the way and wondered whether, as a result, your approach to dressing has changed at all? For example, are you avoiding wearing more delicate items such as the suede jackets when you are spending time with the family or do the same principles still apply?!
Outerwear doesn’t really change much – and shirts/T-shirts are easy to wash.
It’s more knitwear that takes the strain with milk, dribble etc. And yes there I tend to wear more shetlands (robust) or cottons (easy to wash) at home.
Many congratulations – about your new baby! (Although the cardigan is very nice too!)
Matthew
Dear Simon,
I hope the following comment comes across as constructive (rather than nitpicking) given the great content you’re providing on this site.
“Like all shawl-collar cardigans of this type, it has prominent ribbing that help [helps] retain shape.”
“It can [be] left open.…”
As a long-standing reader, I’ve felt for some tie that your site would appear so much more polished if your copy were professionally proofread. As you’ve consistently argued: details matter.
I’d happily undertake the work myself, and I’m sure there are many other talented professionals who would be able and willing to help.
Hi Guy,
Thank you, this is always helpful. Ironically, it’s because I re-write and edit my articles so much – to try and get them to read better than most stuff on the internet – that these typos creep in. But clearly a last proofread is worth investing in.
I’m sure you’ve now noticed that you have a typo in your comment too!
Simon
If Simon just had a baby, trust me, you’re gonna get some spelling errors. It’s supposed to be a blog, not the NYTimes. Deal with it.
I think that’s a little bit impolite Paul. Guy was very considerate and polite in his comment.
So much tone gets lost in the ether of the internet. Yes, it was meant to be a bit abrasive, precisely to contrast with the polite, but imo tactless comment.
In the real physical world, if someone at the workplace said to you one morning after a sleepless night with the little one, ‘Simon, your eyes are looking bloodshot and you’ve got some dribble on your shoulder; I really think you need to get your act together’, then I’d smack them upside the head, even despite them being a mate. Sure, good intentions, but the wrong time to say such a thing. You couldn’t resist being a little cheeky yourself, pointing out their own spelling errors—bravo!
I’d also point out, as a media and digital marketing professional myself, I think it’s okay and even advantageous to treat this blog, whose strength comes from your fastidious personality and how authentically personal it is, less as a formal space and one that’s community oriented. We appreciate reading it not only for the advice but because we appreciate the personal connection with you—warts (er, typos) and all. The fact that guy disclosed having just had a child is what brings me back because I feel a connection, not because it was perfectly edited by a copywriter.
I realize you are a journalism professional yourself, and highly detailed oriented, but it would be a shame if this site tried to run content like Mr. Porter, for example. While they do it extremely well, they don’t and can’t have your brand ethos and personal, authentic touch. Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing a photo of you wearing that nice sweater, holding your little one snuggled against its soft, warm fibers! This is the real world that men, fathers, husbands, wear and use their clothes.
Thanks Paul, and that’s really nice to hear about the personal touch. Certainly, I never want it to feel corporate or impersonal.
Paul,
Get off your soapbox “mate!”
Michael, please refrain from just shouting abuse. Thoughtful and polite comments only please. Thank you.
A follow-up: given the error in my own comment, you might want to look elsewhere. The Society of Editors and Proofreaders would be a good place to start!
Ha! Yes spotted that, and you were so close to getting the job!
Congratulations on your new baby Simon. That’s wonderful news. Isn’t this cardigan a bit too nice, and expensive, to get covered in milk, dribble and worse?!?!
Yes, but I’m very careful. Muslin across the shoulder at all times
Outstanding! This cardigan reminds me of one that I own, which I picked up from Orvis many years ago. It is thick, heavy navy blue wool, and it has notched lapels (rather like a blazer) and dark brown leather buttons, and it’s perfect for cooler weather in Wisconsin, where I live. The fabric has widely spaced indented lines or stripes, not anywhere near the strong ribbing seen on the one you are wearing in these photographs. It goes well with casual wear, or more formally, with a dress shirt, gray flannels and tie — I’ve worn it both ways.
This has got to be the PS line of the year: “the perfect thing to sit around at Christmas and receive presents in.” I like how you roll, Simon.
Is Length and Sleeve reversed?
No, but note that the sleeve measurement is from the centre back neck – so from the bottom of the collar in the middle of the neck, all the way down the shoulder, then all the way down the sleeve.
With a piece like this, that has no shoulder seam, the only options are to use that measurement or the underarm
Beautiful knit details. Well done! I especially like seeing it worn with a bit more relaxed fit. Having owned heavy, multi-ply cashmere cardigan knits, I can say from personal experience that the quality makers are quite long lasting and wonderfully comfortable every time you put them on.
Without wanting to appear unduly critical, I am not sure I see a significant difference between this and what others (Drake’s, Armoury) have done before. I am in no way implying that this carding is at fault or that it somehow misses a mark – quite the opposite. It looks lovely, extremely well made and thoughtfully designed. If anything, I ask this because I am consumed with the desire to own one, but can’t get myself to justify it already owning a cashmere Drake’s one.
In the past you have argued that your collaborations are always geared towards products that you cannot otherwise find in the market (in my opinion, you have stayed true to that aim). Here, I fail to see the gap that this product fills. I guess this question is most relevant to readers that, like me, already own one of those other versions and are wondering whether it makes sense/is worth it to invest in this piece.
To put it differently: if this wasn’t your product, but rather offered to you, how would you decide between this and the Drake’s/Armoury Lockie-made one?
Thanks.
I know what you mean, and appreciate the comment.
It’s certainly not a hugely different piece, but it is rather different in cut and material. The Drake’s or Armoury style is cut to sit on the waist when fastened, like a piece of normal knitwear. This drops lower, below the seat. It’s a jacket cut – almost more akin to a knitted jacket than a cardigan in its function. And the difference in the cashmere ply is a large one.
If you love this style of cardigan, and perhaps don’t have another in navy, then I’d certainly recommend getting it. But if you already have something in navy cashmere in the other style, it’s more marginal.
I have four different navy crewnecks in different weights/styles, from the super fine to the winter super chunky, cashmere and shetland.
A store near me sells a similar sweater in about 5 colors. Leather buttons however. I’ve always wanted one in cashmere, but did buy one in wool, which is a touch more affordable.
The cashmere remains on the “wish list”.
https://oconnellsclothing.com/sweaters/scottish-cashmere-sweaters/o-connell-s-12-ply-cashmere-cardigan-no-pockets-tartan-green-ch03326-trtn-grn-no-pockets.html
Thanks John, and yes that’s the standard design that Drake’s etc and many others have. As noted above, it’s a little different from our one
Might I suggest that the differential between current market offerings and the PS offering is as follows: most products over the the last few years have become, as with other fashion offerings, trimmer, slimmer and more fitted. The PS offering, similar to the Cordings wool item, is larger and, unusually for PS, more louche. It therefore has the benefit of not only being more relaxed but being able to layer over other thinner garments such as a shirt and merino pullover. It’s loose style may also suit or accompany more casual athleisure wear around the house on particularly relaxed or cold evenings.
Any chance you’re going to restock XL? I wasn’t too late but it was already out of stock on Thursday.
We’re not restocking it, but I’m sure we’ll get some size exchanges, so do email [email protected] if you’d like to be on the waiting list just in case.
Hi Simon,
I have Wm Lockie shawl collar cardigan with measurements that are the same as the small in your offering apart from the sleeve length. If i take the sleeve length of the Lockie using your measuring advice i get nearly 82cm your one is small 78cm and 80cm for medium sleeve length. Are you sure the sleeve length isn’t from the back of the shoulder point as it meets the back of the collar/neck to the end of the sleeve as opposed from the middle of the neck to the end of the sleeve?
Thanks
Hi Calum,
No it was from the back of the neck. Thanks for the comparison though, I can double check
I received mine today, and I really love it. A wonderful Christmas present to myself that will keep me warm the whole winter. Amazing touch, nice design. Maybe I’d prefer it to be a bit slimmer, but I am sure to get used to this generous cut soon.
Just one remark on the pictures: After seeing the garment myself I was a little bit disappointed with the colour. It is just navy (as promised), but on the pictures the colour looks more intense, brighter.
Thanks Manuel, and good to know on the colour in particular.
Not for me but looks like a beautiful product.
At some point, could you create a guide for knitwear that covers different types of materials (cashmere, lambswool, cotton, mixed, etc.) and designs (cardigan, v-neck, collared, mock top, etc.)?
As a side comment, I’ve noticed more and more people these days wearing knitwear directly over their skin (or over an undershirt) instead of over a shirt. Is this a new trend or has it been around for some time? This might explain the rise in popularity / demand for cashmere. When centralized heating is expensive, it makes sense to layer up and wear thicker knitwear. But when heating is abundant and cheap (and arguably overused), it makes sense to wear thinner sweaters / wear sweaters without a shirt underneath. I’ve noticed that some of the sweaters I inherited from my father are just too warm for indoor use nowadays.
Sure – out of interest, what would you like to know about those materials and designs? Value, style, or brands specifically?
Interesting point on wearing knitwear with less underneath. I would rarely wear it with nothing under, unless you count something like a merino polo shirt in warmer months. But it certainly makes sense with changing temperatures and air conditioning.
Not writing for R Abbot, but discussion of the meaning of differently numbered ply levels, and their practical implications on warmth, durability, and use in knitting (e.g. on patterns, etc.) would be of interest to me. As well, if there are limitations on patterns/use due to the physical characteristics of the different yarns, I would be interested to learn that.
I would love one in black. Alas, Tom Ford is way out of my budget ($2500) and currently only they make one in black.
I happen to be looking for one of these but in a ranch style, which I can usually find at RRL. What is your experience with high end western or ranch style brands other than RRL? I can’t seem to find many but perhaps I am not looking in the right places. Thanks for the content and happy new year!
– Don
Cheers Don. It’s not something I know a lot about to be honest, so I can’t recommend any other brands I’m afraid
What does basting the pockets shut mean? Is there a seam running across the pocket which shuts it? Or just a little stitch to prevent it from opening?
On a different note, would you recommend Michael Browne for natural, Neapolitan shoulders?
It means it’s a loose line of stitching that keeps it closed, but can easily be removed if wanted.
No, I wouldn’t recommend Michael for that style of shoulder – I’d recommend going to a Neapolitan, like Ciardi perhaps
Hi Simon, just to check: you’re not planning on doing another run of these, at least not until next winter correct? Best, Jon
Actually no Jon, we’ve just been confirming a small run for Spring. There’s a waiting list you can get on by emailing [email protected]
that’s great news Simon, thank you very much. I’ll get that email over
Sold out in Large already? Hopefully you’ll be producing another run, if only next Winter season?
Yes, and do email [email protected] again if you want to be on the list – I’m sure there will be some size exchanges
Hi Simon,
Gorgeous cardigan. I’m thinking of picking one up. Questions:
1. In person, is it more of a traditional darker navy or a lighter one? It looks lighter to me, versus say Drake’s navy cardigan, but I’m not sure if that’s due to the photos.
2. I typically wear almost the same size as you (e.g. M bridge coat and PS oxfords), though I think the fit on me is slightly more snug (but not enough to size up 2″). I’ve taken a look at the measurements but I’m still a bit concerned with the sizing… with the stretch and all that, do you think it would be safe for me to size down to a small if I wanted a less slouchy/long look?
1. More the photos probably. It’s pretty traditional dark navy
2. Yes, I think so. To be honest, I could wear a Medium or a Small, and I still have a prototype we did in Small. They both fit fine, the Small is just less slouchy, as you say
Simon, would like to know what, in your opinion, makes this cardigan particularly indulgent say, when compared with a Drake’s one? Or are they similarly indulgent? Thanks!!
It’s a chunkier knit, with more cashmere – twelve ply rather than four.
It’s also cut a little bigger and longer, enabling you to wrap it round yourself. And again therefore, more cashmere.
How far into Spring would you wear this piece, Simon, before it becomes too warm?
It depends a lot on the country and how the season develops, but I’m still wearing mine now, in April. Though it is a fairly cold Spring in the UK
Do you think this cardigan will become available again (i.e., is this a piece that you see restocking regularly)?
Yes, it should be – in fact we have most sizes at the moment, which were you after?
I think I am a size large, which is in stock. But I’m hesitant to get it now, as I will get very little use out of it prior to having to store it for months, which is why I’m thinking about waiting until Fall… I know I will get it, so it’s just a question of when.
Ah, I see. Then yes, we do plan to have it still in stock in the autumn
Hi Simon, I trust you are doing well. I would much appreciate some guidance as to sizing of the cardigan. I’m 6’4″, with a 40 in chest. I own a couple of Drake’s cashmere shawl collar cardigans in sizes 40 and 42, with the 42 fitting better. However, when comparing their measurements to the measurements of your cardigan, I’m a bit confused. For example, the Drake’s size 42 ‘s pit-to-pit measurement is 53 cm. This equates to a size small in your cardigan. Seeing that you are wearing a size medium, it doesn’t seem as though I should go for a size small. I’m not sure if I should get a size medium or large in your cardigan. Any advice would be most helpful. Thanks!
Hi Juan,
Our cardigan is made bigger and looser, so I’m not surprised the sizing comes up different.
And while I wear a Medium here, I could also wear a Small – it would fit fine in the sleeves, body and not be snug in the body. It would just be a little less loose and flowy.
I would suggest you’d be best with a Medium.
Let me know if I can help out with anything else
Cheers
Dear Simon,
I received the cardigan and could not be happier with it. I initially thought the sleeves were short for my arms, but I’ve come to realize that they fit very well, as does the rest of the cardigan. I must say, this is a really beautiful piece of clothing. I was hesitant to buy it because I already have a navy cashmere cardigan from Drake’s, but this is quite different – much more relaxed, yet still very elegant. It is a great design!
I do hope you will consider expanding the range to other colors in the future. My vote would be for a cream one. Any plans at the moment?
Thanks for all your excellent work!
Brilliant Juan, I’m so pleased, and thank you for taking the time to write and say so.
Yes, our plan is to do a cream one as well as more navy, for Winter. Presuming the factories reopen in time.
Great news! Sounds like you have already decided on colorways, but if you’re open to another, taupe would be gorgeous. I recently bought the Stoffa cashmere crewneck in taupe and find it to be extremely versatile with all kinds of trousers and coats. I imagine you’ll get a lot of interest in cream, as well. Will you be starting a waitlist? If so, I’d like to get on it. Thanks.
Hey Jonathan, yes there is a waitlist – email [email protected] if you’d like to get on it.
Thanks for the note on taupe, too
Hi & Hello, will you have this great cardigan again in stock this year?
last year I was too late.
Best wishes from Germany 🙂
Yes, it should be here next month. Email [email protected] if you’d like to be on the waiting list
Unfortunately, as is the case with 99 % of all cardigans, this too is way too long.
If it was 2 1/2 inches shorter, so that the lower end would be 1 inch below the lowest button then it would look great.
What most cardigan manufacturers also don’t take into consideration is that those strech a little when worn. So the total length when laid flat needs too be shorter by that amount that it streches when hanging.
Maybe one day some cardigan manufacturer actually comes out with a cardigan that doesn’t make people of normal height look like a sausage.
Then you could also make a picture in which you close the cardigan which you tried to avoid during this picture series because of that precise reason 🙂
Hi Daniel,
I’m afraid that wasn’t the reason I didn’t show any pictures of it closed. I do wear it closed and it’s fine. Usually with two or three buttons fastened across the chest – so fairly high.
This cardigan is longer than most, as that is the indulgent, over-sized style. It’s longer than others you might find.
If you do want a shorter version, perhaps have a look at the Anderson & Sheppard ones – they’re much shorter.
Simon
Like Daniel, I’m not keen on long cardigans and, consequently, have struggled to find one I liked. I’m afraid that the PS one is too long to my mind and the Anderson and Sheppard a little too short. The best fit I’ve found (and what I finally ended up buying) was Drakes, which is pretty much spot on.
To me the longer length of this garment fits in with the style and also keeps one much warmer than a shorter design would. Simon, do you mind saying what the sleeves width is for say your size? I’m looking into a similar garment at the moment and hoping to select a similar one.
Sure, I can measure mine if you like. Though if you do want this one, they will be back in stock in a couple of weeks
Thank you Simon, that would be very kind of you. I have seen the small hints in the posts that one is coming out soon! I assume it’s cashmere or similar. I intend to start with lambswool and see how it goes.
Yes Charles, it’s cashmere and a lot of it (12 ply) – see the launch post here.
Hi Simon, I wanted to ask if you could please explain the differences (if any) other than material used between this beautiful Indulgent Cardigan and a similar style sold by Colhays (https://colhays.com/collections/superfine-lambswool/products/superfine-lambswool-shawl-collar-cardigan-in-ecru) which I believe you also have. Thanks much.
The Colhay’s one is a more standard shape and cut. The Indulgent Shawl is a little bigger in the chest and shoulders, in cut and the soft, open knit. It’s also longer (perhaps best to compare the measurements there) more intended to sit on the middle of the seat or below it, rather that above that point or on the hips, like the more standard style. Cheers
Hi Simon, what would be your second choice of colour for such piece after navy? charcoal?
Mid to dark grey or cream, yes. This is about to be restocked in the next day or two actually, in navy and cream
Hi Simon, I am really excited about added a new colour one.
Would you kindly advice me sizing of the cardigan?
I am 5ft 8.5″, with a 35.5″ chest. I have been considering size XS or S for a longtime.
Do you think which size is better for me?
Thank you.
If you’re in doubt, I would size down. I now wear an S in this more commonly, so I’d suggest an XS for you probably.
Always good to look at the measures though as well
Hi Simon,
Would you mind expanding on why you changed your fit preference for this piece? I believe the cream one you first posted about was either L or XL. Thanks.
Actually no, that was a misstype – it was a Medium. Which is the same as I wore in this article here.
However, I could wear a Medium or a Small. A Small is just a little less roomy, but the fit is still good. If you are in doubt, I would size down – that was why we did smaller sizes, including XS
Hi Simon,
Thanks for the update on the restock. Are some sizes out of stock already? Or are these just leftovers from last year?
Thanks again,
Zachary
Yes, some sizes are out of stock already. There was a waiting list for the new stock, as there is for all products on PS, and they get early access. They bought around a third of the stock, including those sizes.
I ordered the cream cardigan and got it yesterday. Wearing today on a perfect chilly Saturday. I was curious to try this out since I missed the navy one last year but also have navy / green shawls from Drakes in lambswool that I adore as well. I also wear more workwear-like Dehen 1920 shawls when I like an ‘American / more rugged’ look to my workwear attire.
As for this one, I agree with Simon’s characterizing above, especially compared to the Drakes ones, this is longer, looser weave, more ‘drapey’, and thicker. But by and far the word I’d use to describe it is luxurious: it feels like I’m wrapping a big fluffly (cream) pillow around me, thankfully a very sartorial one at that. I feel and look probably a tad like a marshmellow. It’s also pleasantly warm, and doesn’t seem like it’ll overheat me indoors either.
I’d picture using this as the catch all indoor sweater — I don’t foresee really wearing it out, especially in cream, but I can easily see this being a ‘default’ piece in my work from home rotation on the weekdays. As the name suggests, a little indulgence in what otherwise might be a more typical work day !
Appreciate the basted pockets and the cashmere is quite nice, though we’ll see how it wears in time.
Thanks for the great product — I’ve been pleased with nearly every product I’ve ordered from the store.
Cheers Derek, great to have the feedback.
Simon, I wonder if you would comment on colors you would wear the cream version of this cardigan with? Also, would you wear it equally outside the home? Thank you.
Hi,
I think it could be worn with a lot of colours – all the menswear basics of navy, blue, white, grey, dark brown, dark green and so on. Cream goes with basically everything. Not as great with bright colours, but that’s about it really.
Yes, I would wear it out of the house. Not perhaps into town, all day, as it would be the same as a jacket without the pracicality. But anywhere local
Thank you Simon.
Would you say you are as likely to wear this outside of the house as much/in the same scenarios as a Drake’s shawl collar cardigan in the same color?
No, I’d probably wear this out less. The Drake’s is not as long and chunky so can be layered under some roomy outerwear
I’m lucky enough to have secured a medium one in navy and initially assumed I would move on my grey Drakes cardigan; however, the Drakes seems to have become a piece of outerwear now, worn over finer gauge knitwear whereas the PS cardigan has become something generally worn indoors over a tshirt or rarely to step out to the shops quickly. Curious to find two such similar designs fulfill such a different role from each other!
As ever with PS, the devil is in the detail with those buttons and the pockets have remained firmly basted up. I’d hate to make it sag!
Nice. Really interesting to hear Lewis
Hi Simon, may i know the reason that you pick ecru and navy as the colour of the cardigan, how does those colours compare with mid-grey
The main reason is that I will often wear mid-grey trousers with these, and then the cardigan wouldn’t work.
Cream works with everything, it’s only downside being that it’s a bit unusual.
Navy works with everything except similarly coloured trousers or denim – but if your jeans are mostly mid-blue or you’ll be wearing smarter trousers generally, then you’re fine.
Any chance that the cardigan will be going on another run this winter ?
No, I’m afraid not Thomas. That’s it for this Winter
Unfortunate, don’t know how I’ve missed the news on this. Any chance that you would go on another run in the Spring then if there’s sufficient interest on the waiting list or is it more likely to comeback only in the following year?
Only the following year I’m afraid Thomas. Sorry
Love this sweater. I’m particularly sensitive to wool, however. Even fine cashmere irritates my skin. Are you aware of a similar sweater made from cotton and/or linen?
Not something similar really, but some of the RRL western-style shawl cardigans and cotton/linen mixes like that
Hi Simon, your PS cardigan looks amazing but since it is out of stock in my size and prefered colour I was wondering which other brand would you recommend? I saw that Luca Faloni has really nice cashmere options or would you go with Drake’s/A&S in lambswool? If the latter, are they really that different from what you can get from John Lewis (merino cashmere blend)?
I’d go with Drake’s or Colhay’s if you want the lambswool one. And yes, they’re definitely nicer than the John Lewis version.
Thanks Simon. I ended up ordering one from A&S and one from John Lewis and decided to keep both as they are in different colours. Interestingly, my wife and I both like the one from John Lewis more! not sure if you have tried the John Lewis version or not but I strongly recommend it ( I have never bought cloths from John Lewis before so was positively suprised).
Thanks, I haven’t but I will
Dear Simon,
Great cardigan and initiative to make available again.
While being sold out, I have the fortune of my wife offering to knit one, in the spirit of the times. It may be a long shot, but would you consider making this pattern available (for buying) or other suggestions for where to find such?
Best wishes,
Morten
Hi Morten,
Not really, sorry. I think it would be considered the IP of the mill or the brand
Hello Simon:
I really want to purchase the Indulgent Shawl. I have checked the measurements and want to validate. The XL size appears to work well for my height (6 feet) and chest (58 cm). My sleeve measurement based on the direction provided would be 92 cm. XL size appears short at 85 cm. I wear a US 46 long suit and my shirts are 17 neck with 35/36 length. Please help me.. Thanks, Matthew
Hi Matthew,
It sounds like you’ve done everything you can. The sleeves might just be too short for you. Unlike suits we can’t do long and short versions I’m afraid.
I think you need to consider the sleeve lengths and think about whether it can work for you at all.
S
Hi Simon, Any plans to make the cardigan available again this winter? If so, in what color(s)? Many thanks, Jan
Hey Jan,
Yes, it will be back in a few weeks, in navy and a new colour, to be announced.
As ever, first access and information goes to the waiting list of people, joined by emailing [email protected]
Cheers
Hi Simon,
How does this differ from the Drakes one (I know you own this too).
From looks- it seems longer and not as tight in the waist? From this perhaps I interpret it wouldn’t really sit under a blazer (fine for me, I wouldn’t do this anyway), but is better left open acting like a jacket on a dry day?
It’s very different from the Drakes one Chris, yes.
There’s detail on this in the article above, and comments, but it’s much thicker – 12 ply of cashmere – which makes it best as outerwear or under a loose coat. It’s also amazing indoors, as a dressing gown substitute
Hi Simon, I had a chance to try on size S at A&S, which seemed to fit well but without the oversized look you are referring to at all. I am wondering whether sizes S or M make more sense. The oversized look seems to be part of the appeal, but I think you commented you wore size S more these days. I am 1.88m tall and a size 38 (inches) chest, so tall but relatively slim. Any advice on the best sizing? Would I have a risk of M just being way too large for me? Thanks, Jan
I think it’s a question of style really Jan. If you liked the look of what you tried on, I’d go with that.
By the way, it’s worth noting that the new ones in A&S are different in a few respects from ours. They don’t have the throat loop, have an extra bottom button, and a different shape to the back collar.
Any plans to bring this back Simon?
yes, they will be restocked in a couple of weeks
there’s quite a big waiting list, so it’s a good idea to be added to it, and get first access, by filling in that request form on the cardigan page on the shop
Simon, would you mind sharing what is the new color that the cardigan will be released in? So as to coordinate shopping priorities… thanks.
It will be a flannel grey Juan, mid-grey. Thanks
Grey is showing as sold out on the product page – did the restock already quietly happen and sell out, or has it not happened yet?
It hasn’t happened yet.
Best thing is always to be on the waiting list Ned. Then you’ll get a notification whenever something comes in, and there’s no chance of anything happening without you knowing.
Hi Simon:
How does you size measurements for the cardigan compare with Anderson and Sheppard’s? I tried on a similar version of your sweater from A&A and it fit to include my arm length. The measurement on the PS website indicates that the cardigan would not be long enough. Please advise.
Hi Matthew,
A&S stock two different styles of shawl-collar cardigan at this weight, and then a lighter, shorter one too. I think the second heavier model was introduced since this article too. It sounds like you may have tried on that one.
Greetings this Christmas morning Simon.
A brief note just to say thanks for this glorious cardigan which I received 2 days ago. I waited patiently on the list for some time and eventually the navy colour became available again and I didn’t hesitate to purchase when it did.
In harmony with your article, I did in fact wear it this morning giving and receiving gifts with my wife and two children. It is everything I hoped it would be: sumptuously comfortable, flexible in how it can be worn and of the very highest quality which is synonymous with many of the items advocated by PS.
Well done, once again..!
Have a great Xmas.
Amazing! Thanks Joe, and I hope you’ve had a wonderful holiday in it
Hi Simon, I have no shawl cardigan and thinking of buying one. I was considering between A&S one, Drake’s standard shawl or 6ply but not too sure what would be a good choice, also not sure whether I should go for a standard size or down. What would you suggest for first time buyers in terms of colour, size and style?
Many thanks,
Jack
I’d go for something like the Drakes standard shawl, in navy or grey depending on whether you want to avoid clashing more with grey or navy trousers. And on sizing it really depends on the look you want – you can likely wear two sizes, one that’s neater and one that’s more roomy
Yes exactly.
I was only suggesting Drakes because it’s the classic style and what most people are after. If you find the A&S to be better proportions for you, then go with that
Thank you Jack, that’s great to hear.
Often this area is described as ‘classic menswear’ or ‘heritage clothing’. But essentially it’s a focus on two things: more enduring styles of clothing, and better quality of them.
Hello Simon.
I was wondering if you happened to know whether the four 12-ply cashmere cardigans on the Anderson & Sheppard Haberdashery site are in fact the exact same model/designs as the one you designed and collaborated with Anderson & Sheppard? (except for the charcoal color, which hasn’t been seen here yet)
Just wondering if there might be any differences on theirs, such as not having unpolished horned buttons, etc
Thank you!!
Hey,
No, they’re the same. We did tweak the design a little on ours, such as removing a bottom button, but they’ve incorporated those aspects as well now.
Dear Simon! How do you wash this cardigan? Hand wash or dry clean? Colhay’s recommend dry cleaning for their heavy cardigans. But honestly I would really want to wash such a beautiful piece myself and not take any chances with a dry cleaner. I would be interested in your take on this. I have also seen your excellent video about washing knitwear with A&S, so I think I know how to do it, and have done it, although not yet with such a chunky piece.
To be honest Alexander, I would still dry clean it. I have tried once to hand wash something this heavy and it was tough. I’d say only spot clean it by hand – eg if you get something on it, or if it’s only the arm pits that need a clean, for example
Thank you. I will take that advice.
BTW: I also went with your advice buying the lasted shoe trees for my Saint Crispin’s, and I am really happy with my new black Belgravias. Both pairs are excellent and versatile. Thank you
Fantastic, good to hear
I have a navy shawl collar cardigan from Drake’s and is superb. I was thinking of purchasing another one in beige but with a regular collar. I found out a ribbed one from Kingsman and I was wondering who makes those cardigans for Kingsman because the buttons look like they are from Drake’s, but I am not sure. I know Drake’s made the ties, Turnbull&Asser the shirts and I think suits, odd jackets and trousers were made by Huntsman.
So my question is if you know who makes the knitwear for Kingsman?
Thank you.
I don’t know I’m afraid Daniel. It would likely be one of the Scottish knitters though, like Lockie or Johnstons. Drake’s doesn’t make knitwear
Hi Simon,
I have a question regarding the fit. I tried yours and a similar version from Anderson Sheppard Shawl Cardigans, but I felt that yours fit much bigger than the one from Anderson Sheppard.
For example, the one from Anderson & Sheppard felt good om size M but yours felt a bit big. Is the sizing indeed different or is it only something from the style?
Also, as a reference, the knit from yours felt a bit different from the onr from Anderson Sheppard. But I’m not sure if that is true.
Sorry for the storm of questions, I just want to be sure I get the right size when the Navy comes back in stock.
Bests
Raphael
No worries Raphael.
Anderson & Sheppard do sell at least three styles of shawl cardigan, so you need to make sure which one it is! But the one they do sell that’s the same general style as ours should fit the same, and have the same knit
Hi Simon,
I hope you are well and all is good.
I’m sorry if I’ve not understood previous posts, is the Anderson and Sheppard 12 ply shawl cardigan now the same style as yours with the same details. It appears that it is made in Italy and yours was made in Scotland, will you be producing anymore or would the Anderson and Sheppard be the closest I would get to yours.
I hope this makes sense.
All best
Carl
Hey Carl,
Yes that was actually a mistake – the one A&S has now is made in Italy and isn’t the same. It’s a lighter knit and shorter too. Sorry about that.
Ours will be coming in a week or so, so very soon.
Thanks so much Simon
Is it too late to add to your list
all best
Carl
No, go ahead
Thanks for all your help Simon
Hi Simon! I read your excellent piece for Drake’s on your 4 ply shawl collar cardigan & the story around the purchase was excellent! Does a 6 ply (& up) cardigan perform better in terms of warmth, stronger/ hold its shape better than a 4 ply? Would appreciate your thoughts please!
Thank you Graham. It will be warmer, but I wouldn’t say it would be that much stronger or hold it’s shape a lot more