The Western shirt four ways (with Begg & Co cardigan)
One of the reasons Western and denim shirts have been so popular in recent years is their versatility.
On the one hand, their conventional pale blue means they sit easily beneath all manner of jackets or suits, while adding an intentional, unexpected note.
But on the other, they’re still a casual shirt, with all the texture and design add-ons to prove it. Which means they can be worn with the most casual of trousers, such as workwear chinos.
Chambray shirts, if similarly pale, can be just as useful - but usually with more subtle style details like pockets and contrast stitching, rather than MOP snaps and pointed yokes.
These, along with the oxford, must be the shirts of the years to come. They're all pieces that can just as easily sit under casual tailoring during the week as with beat-up favourites at the weekend.
I find I wear Western shirts in different ways too - some more conventional and others less so, depending on how I feel and where I am.
This article shows four of them. All of which are easy to switch between, whether for reasons of style, warmth, or variation for its own sake (for example when travelling).
Above is the first, the standard. A pale-blue Western shirt from RRL worn with a black-cashmere shawl cardigan from Begg and dark-olive chinos from Blackhorse Lane.
There is a dark-brown surcingle belt with abrass buckle, just visible underneath the fold of the shirt. Not shown, on the feet, are brown-suede boots.
The combination is an example of the cold-colour wardrobe, given the dark, cold, muted shade of the trousers, black knit and pale shirt. There’s nothing bright, warm or strong.
The only style choice that might stand out is the peek of a white vest. Which we’ll get to in a minute.
The combination’s coldness and darkness mean it’s unlikely to draw attention, despite actually being fairly unusual in its colours and textures.
That changes as soon as you do something quirky like button the shirt all the way up.
This is probably smarter, certainly warmer, and is particularly nice with a Western shirt because its front is so decorative: mother-of-pearl snaps topped off by a shank button at the collar.
I tried having a bespoke dress shirt made in this manner a few years ago, with a covered placket and then a domed button at the top. But it always looked a little odd.
It’s still unusual with a Western shirt, but with obvious roots.
Of course, context is everything with clothes. Our feelings about them are almost entirely driven by experiences and associations.
(A point well made in our recent article with Ethan Wong, where in his milieu a bucket hat could be less unusual than a blazer.)
A buttoned-up Western shirt might be less unusual in parts of the US (though perhaps also have unwanted associations). In London it merely looks like a quirk, and one I like when it feels appropriate because of the weather or situation.
Actually, it’s interesting to compare it to wearing knitwear similarly buttoned up, which we covered recently. I dislike that look for its associations with football pundits, but I doubt anyone in Texas would make the same connection.
One reason I dislike the way those pundits wear this style is they do so without a jacket. This leaves a lot of bulk in the body, and is unflattering unless you’re in amazing shape.
It’s the same with bow ties, with fine roll necks, and with this buttoned Western shirt. You’re giving up the open V of a collar, and the long line of a necktie, so you need the V of a jacket or cardigan more than ever.
It's even better if that jacket or cardigan is fastened. Which is why mine is.
Returning to the vest under the shirt, this is something people will love or hate (again, largely based on associations).
On the positive side, it can look manly, workmanlike, redolent of manual workers and an older era. It can look sexy, a sneak peek of underwear, chest, the man beneath. Ethan and Jamie do it well, among others.
On the negative side, it can remind one of an old man, a string vest, a singlet. Something that - let’s face it - very few men look good in without the shirt on top.
Those feelings can be substantially reduced by replacing the vest with a T-shirt, or a Henley-style vest. The T-shirt option looks American, more ranch, rather Ralph.
Whichever you go for, the effect is understated if just the top two buttons are undone, as mine usually are and is shown at the top of this article.
The more buttons you undo, the more you’re pushing the look. One more is still pretty subtle and arguably flatters a T-shirt more, which is the only way I really wear it. With a vest (shown above) it makes me look a little pasty and a little skinny.
A final option. A red bandana underneath the shirt collar.
I’ll do a fuller piece on bandanas at a later date. For the moment, I just wanted to highlight that this is a nice way to add colour, and is rather fitting under a Western shirt.
Interestingly, bright red is often the nicest colour with both Western and cold-colour combinations. Nothing else has quite the same pop, and it sits well with blues, blacks, and cold versions of both brown and green.
The watch cap shown here with the Wax Walker is a good example.
The cardigan, by the way, is the Yacht model from Begg & Co - perhaps the nicest piece from their expansion into knitwear.
It is in most respects the classic shawl collar we all know and love. But it’s been modernised a bit, with the hip pockets removed, no ribbing on the sleeves and a straighter cut.
The cut is drapey, which some will prefer (and is probably more unisex). The sleeves are straighter too, though the downside of the lack of ribbing is you have to be quite precise with the length - otherwise there’s nothing to stop it falling over the hand.
It does come in some unusual colours, like pink, yellow and black. The availability of the latter is the reason I tried it.
The shirt from RRL can be seen here. It’s a nice fit and wash, but I do wish the collar were longer. The belt is from Anderson & Sheppard, here. The chinos will be reviewed separately soon.
Photography: Alex Natt @adnatt
That’s a beautiful cardigan, and I’m a big fan of the muted, cold colour wardrobe. Apologies if this is a daft question, Simon, but what exactly makes something a ‘western’ shirt? And what distinguishes it from the denim shirt?
The only option I’m less of a fan of on the page is the red bandana. I tried a red Buff scarf to offset some black and grey ski wear once, only to be told by a female companion that I looked like someone’s lost dog. That red Buff has not been seen since…!
Being a Western shirt is mostly about design details. Flapped chest pockets; snaps on them, the front and the cuffs rather than buttons; a pointed yoke on the back rather than straight; sometimes stitching designs on the pockets too.
Oh dear! Yes the bandana is definitely more of a look, and isn’t for everyone. Then again, you have to dress a bit for yourself. Up to you how much.
Enjoyable read to start the week, thanks Simon.
This feels like the perfect working weekday outfit for me at the moment when tailoring isn’t required (every day frankly), lots of texture, neat and presentable, very cool. What really caught my eye though, is the lovely cold colour combination. The black shawl from Begg really is lovely.
Your chinos are looking really great, how are you finding them? I think they’ve more or less hit the perfect shade of dark olive, lovely and muted with that greyish tone. I’m sure BHLA will appreciate that it was you who revealed these beautiful chinos to me, with a pair of navy ones arriving last week to accompany my olive ones! Personally the best chinos I’ve ever worn, proving to be a smart investment. look forward you doing to a fuller review soon.
I think you’ve made a great point regards these along with oxfords being the shirts of the coming years. Which is exactly why I plan to add a PS chambray cloth made up to my wardrobe, along with something more casual, like the western shown here. Which leads me to my question. Do you think that a darker indigo westerner, for example your bryceland’s sawtooth, would struggle in an outfit like this? would it detract from the coolness of tone provided by the pale blue? Would that rich indigo tip the whole balance into something else, or would it still work? Would love to hear your thoughts as always.
My best,
Ck
Thanks Chris, good to hear the combinations hit such a good note for you.
The chinos I’ll cover in a separate article soon, so I’ll keep comments until then, if that’s OK.
I think a darker denim shirt like the Bryceland’s would work well here. The only disadvantages would be that it wouldn’t be as smart, and with other things (eg lighter jackets/knits) it wouldn’t be as versatile. A pale-blue is always more useful.
Thanks Simon.
Certainly, looking forward to that one.
Good point regards the smartness of the pale-blue, hadn’t even considered that!
I agree with you about the length of the collar-I think a longer length suits the style.
As we move into a more casual phase, the denim /chambray is pushing for inclusion as a wardrobe staple-if I was starting out on a style journey,I’d replace one of the OCBDs with a chambray, plus advantage of it being used an over shirt .
The dark olive chinos look fantastic btw.
Nice point on the conversion to an overshirt Peter. I’d want different lengths myself, but not everyone needs or wants that.
I think the collar length looks especially short given my relatively long face. One other thing that applies easily from formal to less formal shirts
Hi Simon,
I like the versatility of the western shirt but I’m afraid I’m not fan of the snap metal buttons (perhaps because I associate them with baby clothing that is full of them). Could a western shirt have normal buttons and still be considered as such? Or if not, would a two pocket denim shirt serve a similar purpose even if it’s slightly dressier?
I’m not sure whether it would be considered a Western shirt, but that doesn’t matter that much. And yes, a two-pocket denim would work just as well.
Actually, you might end up wanting a chambray work shirt, which tends to have unflapped breast pockets and various casual details like triple stitching. Eg here.
Hi Simon,
Great outfit Simon. May I ask what size cardigan you are wearing?
Good point. I sized up from a 40 to a 42, as I wanted more fullness in the body. A 40 would have been fine, just a slightly neater fit.
The only problem with sizing up was that sleeves were longer, hence my comment about the lack of ribbing there being an issue.
I’m not sure, but I might end up getting those shortened. I’ll see.
Was that why your hands were in your pockets in all the shots with the cardigan, Simon?
Looking forward to the review of the BLA chinos, and of the Joe McCoy ones too. Oh, and I’m loving the new comment section interface BTW. It’s lean and smooth, and now it’s easier than before to track comment-response trees.
Oh good, thanks a lot Joseph.
No that wasn’t the reason, but it’s certainly not an issue of you’re doing that
As always interesting but I find the colour combos perplexing.
Are they urban or rural ?
Are they spring, summer, autumn or winter ?
Although one could argue that they could transcend location or season – and that would be true – I don’t find them convincing or seductive. The whole thing just looks a little dour. It’s the sort of outfit that would make me want to change. It would be one of these situations when you know that theoretically it should work but practicable it just doesn’t.
Also, I can’t help but feel that Western shorts verge on cosplay. There could be an argument for chopping a few logs in one but when I see them dressed up, I keep expecting the six guns and sheriff’s star to come out.
On a more positive note, the Begg & Co Yatch cardigan is an absolute killer. I have one in ecru and it is fabulous. It looks great with green chinos or jeans and personality I much prefer it with a simple ‘T’ underneath.
I think you’re maybe being a little too simplistic about it David, and perhaps also thinking personal preferences are more universal.
It can be a mix of urban and rural – it’s not binary. Clothing has to feel appropriate, but this certainly doesn’t feel inappropriate in town.
The colours clearly aren’t your cup of tea, clearly, but that is quite personal. Even more so the suggestion that a Western shirt has to be worn for a ‘Western’ activity.
I was in Blackhorse Lane Atelier last week and tried those chinos which were excellent. My only reticence was they were out of the khaki in my size which was my preference. I thought that colour was more versatile than olive. What’s your view Simon as I’m only buying one pair? Also keen to know the footwear you chose with this outfit.
I think you’re right, that colour would be more versatile. Olive is great, but it wouldn’t be the first one I’d buy.
I was wearing brown-suede boots.
I want to ask the question regarding to rise. Take this BHL chino as an example, with the front rise 24cm and back rise 34cm, should we consider these trousers as low rise (24cm)? So it’s not a good one for casual tailoring? I usually skip if the front rise is smaller than say 28cm now.
Or you see it differently, Simon?
Happy to learn.
I think I’d consider it mid-rise, given all the really low-rise stuff there is out there.
But yes, it’s the front rise that’s more important as regards the look, lengthening legs, working with jackets etc
Hi Simon,
May I kindly ask how the Begg Cardigan compares to the PS one?
I ask because I am interested in acquiring a cardigan like this but I have resolved to wait until the PS becomes available again in the autumn.
The PS one is different to most others like this – but that doesn’t necessarily mean it is for you.
It is much chunkier, more cashmere, more indulgent. It’s deliberately an extreme. It’s 12 ply for eff’s sake.
This is more similar to Drake’s, Lockie, Scott & Charters and others – the same weight and feel, just with those slightly more modern design choices I mentioned.
Hi Simon,
Taking the opportunity here to ask a bit more about the cardigan, actually 3 of them: PS, Begg, and Lockie
1) assuming all the same color of navy, which one would you consider better from a style point of view to be a jacket substitute for a very casual office or just wearing with jeans and an Oxford shirt? In terms of style they are quite distinct, PS being more “slouchy” (imo), Lockie has the different ribbing which is interesting but could make it less versitile. My preferences are to be quite smart casual chic, if that is of any help
2) color: I believe navy to be best as a jacket substitute, but at the same time, given that it is a cardigan and thus a casual piece, I wonder if a brown, olive or even the oatmeal would be better.
Thank you very much, I appreciate any help from you (or any viewer I would be very glad too)
Cheers!
Sure, no problem.
1) Not the PS one I think, that would be too slouchy for a versatile jacket replacement. Either of the other two would be good, it’s more a style difference – one straight and more modern, the other ribbed and more traditional.
2) Navy would be the best jacket substitute I think, yes.
I’d like to hear more about the chino’s. I have been looking for a good pair of grey chinos for ages to substitute for grey flannel. I never wear flannel trousers as my life style just doesn’t present the appropriate opportunity [i have a young child so require machine washable trousers and i live in a largely casual and informal community]. I do however often wear a sports coat but find it somewhat restrictive in that i cannot pair them with grey trousers. I therefor have lots of grey-tone sports coats that i can pair with cream, white, beige and green chinos [the common chino colours] but i would like to be able to branch out into more interesting jacket clothes. This can be hard however without the neutral grey on the bottom half to pair them with. The struggle is real!! haha.
I’ll go into more detail on the chinos in a specific article about them soon.
However, I wouldn’t wear them with a jacket. That’s a little personal, as we discussed in previous articles on chinos, eg here. But even if you wore chinos with jackets a lot, I wouldn’t recommend these. Something like the Rubato ones would be better.
To be honest I’ve also tried grey chinos and never found the colour that satisfying. I’d wear a pale beige or bone colour, like those Rubato ones. That colour goes with everything.
Thanks Simon, are you saying you wouldn’t wear a tailored jacket with chinos full stop? I checked the article in the link and couldn’t find a reference. Perhaps I missed it?
No, not full stop, it’s just not a look I tend to like that much – I prefer tailored trousers like flannels or linen, or jeans, or even cords. Chinos often seem a little old-fashioned, academic even. Certainly if you’re wearing the jacket done up.
And sorry on the post, it was actually in the article and comments of the Rubato article here
Interesting that it has those connotations for you. I guess it ties back to what you have discussed in this article whereby the same garments can be viewed differently depending on your personal prejudices/ cultural references. I find that there’s a friendliness/ unthreatening or even wholesome nature to chinos and a jacket that i can see may be viewed as old fashioned or academic but on me goes a long way to balancing off the more masculine and perhaps less friendly outward appearance of my face/ hair/ physique.
Ah, interesting, thanks. I think it’s really useful and healthy go hear these associations others have. It’s easy to assume everyone has the same ones as us
I know what you mean about grey chinos. I’ve a pair of not-quite-chinos: slim fit grey cotton blend trousers: slightly smarter silhouette and fabric than most chinos. They pair reasonably well with jackets as well as shirts and knitwear but still I don’t wear them much: they just feel a bit in between smart and casual. Maybe if I worked in an office with a modern business-casual dress code they’d see more use.
I think the issue of chinos and sports jackets is mostly one of association and consequently both subjective and relatively location specific. I feel a bit the same way about jeans and jackets – easy to edge into top gear territory without care. I think in the same way one can avoid looking like Jeremy Clarkson (if that’s what one wants) we can also avoid looking old fashioned.
Thanks, nice point. What would you say, then, makes chinos avoid that look with a jacket?
I’m not sure it’s very different from your usual advice? Fit first – chinos that are neither skin tight nor cut for your grandfather’s body. Then style – I’d beer away from the workwear end and more towards a casual trouser. But not a formal one. And then probably not stone chinos and a navy blue jacket. Other than that largely the usual rules? I thought Derek had some nice photos here: https://putthison.com/three-types-of-chinos-khaki-chinos-are-not-as/
Thanks, and yes good points.
Derek’s analysis is good too, though I’m not entirely sure Alan or Bruce – the examples with jackets – are wearing chinos. They look very sharp and flowy. More like woollen twills. Perhaps cotton gabardine at the most, which doesn’t really look like a chino to me. It’s a tailored cotton trouser, and looks odd with most other things you’d wear chinos with as a result.
I’d bow to your ability to parse photos I think. I spent time at an east coast boarding school – in summer we dressed in chinos and sports coats without thinking of it (in the 1990s). I suspect it’s that nonchalance and the energy and exuberance youth I associate it with it more than geography teachers. So there you go. Associations.
Also beering away is good practice and should be standard in any discussion of this type
Would your blue Santa Fe RLP cardigan work with this outfit?
I probably wouldn’t wear a Western shirt under that – it would look a little too much of that style for me.
Nice shirt…have you tried it with the RRL belted cardigan you got earlier this spring? I have the same one and think it would look great together.
See above Peter – another reader asked that and I said I found it too much of a Western look with them together.
I think both are best when the more interesting or unexpected pieces in an outfit
I can see where the hesitation might come from, however I don’t think anyone would mistake you for a cowboy 🙂
As long as you leave all the other accessories in place (no fedora or engineer boots, but keeping the bandana and khakis) you might find it feels more cohesive with the RRL cardigan rather than the current one, nice though it is.
Yes, no danger there!
It’s a personal thing, perhaps, but I still wouldn’t wear the two together Peter. I have tried it, and it felt like the top half was too much of a particular look. I prefer it when those more unusual touches aren’t part of so much of the outfit. It looks less everyday, to me, and more like straining for something
Gotcha. At any rate, t’s nice to see the shirt paired with variety of options. Wear it in good health!
Cheers Peter
From some of the photos of Simon in a fedora and trench coat I think he would look marvelous in a stockman’s coat and cowboy hat.
If you’re ever in a store that carries cowboy clothing you might have a lot of fun “trying the look on” Simon.
One more Peter! Thanks Peter K, and I can certainly see that. I do love the style of a stockman coat.
I would definitely buy a PS stockman coat.
Great cardigan.
The rest of the outfit makes you look disheveled.
I think I know what you mean. A sharper shirt and tailored trousers would look a lot cleaner. But that’s really just the nature of the beast – a soft-material, soft-collared shirt is always going to look like that, as are chinos unless you press them every couple of days
True.
Off the subject: I just got my Optimo Silverbelly Fedora yesterday. What a great hat. Looks like yours but I have a black ribbon. ( I wear a long oval as well. )
Excellent hat.
Amazing. Enjoy it in health
Simon, would you wear a leather belt with suede boots or shoes in a casual outfit like this one?
Yes I would, if the colours were similar – there’s an article here on shoes and belts together
Hi Simon, thank you for another great article.
Please, I would like to know which fit you recommend for a Western shirt. With this garments do you usually go for a Small or Medium? I do have a Western shirt from Barbanera which is a Small but I’m not sure if it looks too tight. From previous posts I think you and me we use same sizes (48 in jackets, 39 in shirts and so on).
Finally, it would be great if you can recommend brands for Western shirts for 150-200€.
Cheers,
Hi Peter,
I tend to be a little looser on shirts in general these days, and I would do that even more so with a casual shirt like this Western one. So I’d definitely be a Medium at least. However, I’m a little bigger, more like a 50 in jackets at least on the chest, ideally slimmer in the waist.
I’m afraid I’ve struggled to find good denim shirts, but I haven’t tried the Barbanera ones. How have you found the quality?
Hi Simon,
Thank you for your reply. The quality of my Barbanera shirt looks absolutely fine. The only problem is that I feel the cloth has shrunk. I guess that might be normal with denim. The small size was a wrong choice.
Best regards,
OK thanks peter, good to know. I wouldn’t expect denim to shrink, at least in a shirt, unless it says it will. Particularly if it’s clearly washed already
Todd Synder have a very nice denim which is excellent. I wasn’t keen on the blue versions, so I have the Ivory . It’s slim cut.
https://www.toddsnyder.com/collections/shirts/products/denim-two-pocket-utility-long-sleeve-shirtlong-sleeve-shirt-indigo
Nice tip, thank you Peter.
Is it fair to say the collar is pretty small? That’s my biggest bug bear with mainstream shirts like this
Yes, it is, mine was bought as a mid layer,so it’s always open. It’s autumn /winter wear for me, usually with a roll neck .
Thanks Peter
Hey Simon-
Love the look. Might you have showcased a less commercial brand? PS sets a high bar. I paid a bit more but ordered two denim shirts from a boutique shop in Rome.
Can this shirt fit with “high-low” dressing?
Enjoying these more casual looks but anxiously awaiting your next bespoke jacket/suit commission review. Don’t make us wait until the Fall. All the best.
Thanks.
If you mean RRL, I’m not sure I would count them as that commercial. It’s still widely available of course, but it shouldn’t be confused with the likes of Polo.
Yes, the shirt can certainly work as a high/low dressing example. Wear with really nice and sharp trousers for the contrast, like cavalry twills (seen here)
Oh, and don’t worry, one’s coming on Monday!
Thanks for link to high/low example. The archives are such a great feature of PS.
Now anxiously awaiting Monday’s feature.
Good to know, thanks Robert. If you ever have any suggestions on how to improve them, their searchability or general accessibility, do let me know
Simon, would you not consider your Brycelands Denim to be a good shirt?
If not: what does it lack?
Hey Felix. Sorry, what you’re referring to might have got a little lost in the thread – could you clarify? Do you mean as regards shrinkage?
I‘m referring to your first answer to Peter (where he mentions Barbanera). There you write – if I may quote – „I’m afraid I’ve struggled to find good denim shirts“. Therefor I was wondering if you changed your mind about the Brycelands Western?
By the way Simon, I love the new improved comments section. One feature I‘d like to see though: numbered posts (like on Styleforum for example). It helps referencing like in this case. You also tend to sometimes write something like „check the comment above“, for example for already posts. It can be confusing when you‘ve sorted the comments starting with the newest (especially for new readers).
Aha, I see good point, thank you.
The Bryceland’s shirt is lovely and I haven’t changed my mind about it. The only issue is that it’s not this classic pale-blue colour, which reduces its versatility considerably, as mentioned. It’s that style I’ve struggled to find.
Have you seen Bryceland’s sawtooth in chambray? Would that not be a suitable replacement for this RRL. It’s here: https://www.brycelandsco.com/collections/shirts-1/products/brycelandssawtoothwesternerchambray
No, not really. It’s chambray, not denim, which makes a difference to the look and feel of the material, but also how much it would fade.
And it’s not the same versatile pale-blue, or washed to be faded in the same way.
Then there’s room, perhaps, for an upcoming PS Western Shirt with a better collar, nicer denim and responsibly washed/faded? I would certainly buy one!
I guess so. Not something I’ve looked at, but it might be nice.
But isn’t the RRL you’re wearing also a chambray (if I’m not mistaken the link you’ve provided is to a chambray Western shirt)?
Sorry, yes good point. The issue is there’s overlap here in terms of definitions – as both denim and chambray are used today beyond their original uses. It’s not always that much help, particularly with mainstream brands. This RRL is a chambray in terms of the weave, but the look and colour is of a denim, and another brand might quite easily call it that.
Dear Simon,
You are developing your Wild West epoch of fashion.
UK Vest = USA Undershirt, T-Shirt,
correct?
Are or is the T-Shirt Sunspel?
Maybe English weather is colder as elsewhere now in June, but I imagine a cowboy shirt is not as nice as poplin. Do you wear the undershirt because you prefer to feel its softness (jersey? mercerized?) on you skin than the roughness of your cowboy shirt?
A vest is not a T-shirt, no Peter. A vest has no arms, and a low neck.
The vest is from Sunspel, but it’s not a T-shirt.
I’m not wearing the vest because the shirt is rough, no. It’s for the look and for a little warmth. It was rather colder when these shots were taken.
Dear Simon,
Thanks very much for your comments and corrections.
I must correct myself in regard to my terminology. To genus Western I feel necessary to differ Hunter & Guide from Cowboy.
I took a look at Filson (Seattle) and realized
the difference. As Midwest provincial I do not feel qualified to pronounce or decree anything in this Wild West sphere, but surely PS has readers who can.
UK Vest = USA Wifebeater
Yeah, I don’t think that’s really a term used any more Peter…
Dear Simon,
Regarding bandanas, maybe this clothing article has color constipation due to Wild West taste and prejudice? Seems to me so many beautiful colors exist besides that traditional iconic red?
It’s just our associations, Peter, which is what most clothing is. But if that’s what you mean by a prejudice, then yes
Hi simon, great to see you experimenting towards a more casual approach to menswear. I must say though something seems off about the outfit, its either the cardigan is too luxe for the rest of the outfit or that the style as a whole just doesn’t seem to fit you. This brings me to the point about whether each individual has a certain style that fits them the best. E.g. when I think of mark cho I think of ivy league stye. Workwear and milsurp just wouldn’t work on him. Your style (and what i think seems to work best for you) appears to be sleek tailoring that extends to your casual wardrobe (tailored suits, shirts tucked into tailored shorts with sleek loafers etc. But that certainly doesn’t mean one (or you) should stop experimenting though!
Cheers Shem.
I think there’s something in that, eg in terms of proportions a higher more structured collar often looks better on me.
But I think it’s only a small factor. To be honest I think it’s moe what we’re used to seeing people in. I don’t think you’d associate Mark with more formal clothing necessarily if you weren’t so used to seeing him like that
To be honest I do’nt like the shirt.The artificial fade really puts me off.In the photo at least it really let’s down the rest of the outfit.I much prefer your PS shirts in denim,chambray and Oxford cloth.Much nicer collars and a nicer style in my opinion.
Thanks. Yes the collars are certainly nicer. If you want something that looks this much like a Western shirt you do need an artificial fade though. Or something that has been washed and worn for years.
Simon – If you write about bandanas… can you investigate the technique so that it stays in place? I am referring to the style under the shirt or t shirt style that only shows a bit in the back collar, a la Alessandro Squarzi. Thank you!
Will do
Hey Simon,
Any thoughts on ways you would wear a darker version of this western shirt? Say your Brycelands one? Just looking for some ways to wear it.
Sure. I’d wear it with this outfit, and with khaki chinos, either with a shawl cardigan over the top, or a casual jacket. Then also with tailoring, as shown here for instance.
Anything specific you’re struggling to wear it with?
Crikey! This takes me back! I enjoy your posts and don’t normally comment as I tend to agree with with you but I always loved the western shirt in pink. The first one one a bought was in 1970, a Peter Golding one with curved pockets and a front yolk and MPO studs that washed out to a pale pink over time. (I was working at Take 6) and Ive loved them ever since. As you say, contrast is everything and the pink enabled me to wear it with jeans either dressed down in pale blue – I wore Kickers in the 70s – but I guess it would be Redwings now or dressed up in indigo blue with monkstraps or Chelsea boots. Definitely a capsule wardrobe staple.
Simon,
Do you think the use of the vest is limited to this Americana/workwear style? Or could it be incorporate in something like a casual chic?
Also, where do you recommend buying a vest?
I think it can be worn with everyday style, absolutely
I haven’t tried many, but I recommend Sunspel for a good basic, and something like Zimmerli for the very top end
Simon, I really enjoy this article about the western shirt. I read it right after you postet it on the website, but I remembered it only recently when I tried on the same RRL western shirt in a local store in Switzerland. I bought it, but in the dark rinsed denim, which is a little thicker than the light blue one.
As I have been trying it on with various different clothes from my wardrobe, I have come to find that I best like to wear the shirt untucked with a t-shirt underneath, instead of wearing it tucked in – mainly because of the thicker fabric.
So, regarding “ways to wear a western shirt”, how would you wear this shirt untucked? With what kind of outerwear over it? I find it works quite well with a quilted gilet, but it would be interesting to hear your thoughts about it.
Hey Marc,
To be honest I don’t really wear denim shirts like this untucked.
It’s not really my style, and the shirt I have would be too light in weight for an untucked look to work well. But yours may be heavy enough.
Usually, the shirt has to be pretty thick or have more body, as it’s then more of an overshirt.
S
Hi Simon! May I know which size are you wearing in the RRL western shirt? Merci!
Medium
Hello Simon. Will this https://therealmccoys.com/collections/tops/products/8hu-chambray-serviceman-shirt work as an over-shirt with a white t-shirt underneath. Thank you Simon.
I haven’t tried it I’m afraid, but from what I can see, I’d wear it as a tucked-in shirt. So you could still wear a T-shirt underneath, but I wouldn’t leave the shirt open or leave it untucked myself
Hi Simon, You recently commented you liked the Begg scarves better than, say, Joshua Ellis as they are softer and overall a tad nicer. How about their knitwear? Similar difference when compared to Lockie and Johnstons? Or, in other words, what would be the case to buy Begg: quality aspects such as softness of the cashmere or fineness of make vs style (Begg does seem more contemporary than Lockie, for instance). Appreciate your thoughts! Best, Jan
I don’t think there’s much difference when it comes to the knitwear Jan – just style or colouring, rather than make. But you’re right, that is a little unusual compared to most Scottish brands
Hello Simon. Will this work here as well in the same settings and ways you’ve talked above https://www.ralphlauren.com/brands-double-rl-men-shop-all-cg/indigo-denim-workshirt/475096.html?dwvar475096_colorname=Medium%20Wash&cgid=brands-double-rl-men-shop-all-cg&webcat=search#ns=shirts&prefn1=CategoryCode&prefv1=Casual%2520Shirts&start=1&cgid=brands-double-rl-men-shop-all-cg. Is this a pale blue? Looks very similar in colour to the RRL western shirt that you’ve linked. I know it’s a different wash though.
Yes it certainly would Amit. It’s a little less western in style, but that’s the only major difference
A general question about the Western shirt. What about it appeals to you and makes them so versatile in your mind? I read in another article of yours that you particularly liked the Bryceland’s version because it worked well with tailoring, but what if we step back and just talk about the Western shirt itself, with tailoring or not? What about it’s style makes it so versatile over other variations of shirts in menswear and why do you think you get so much wear out of it? I can see the qualities of an Oxford shirt, being extremely versatile and appropriate in a lot of scenarios. I’ve personally been pretty steady with Oxford shirts for just those reasons in my casual wardrobe. I could just pair it with chinos or jeans and I know that it would be a really safe option. I’m now looking to maybe diversify a bit and add a bit of subdued/understated character to my wardrobe. I’ve recently got a few other items that I’ve seen sprinkled around and alluded to on this site such as this olive military style over shirt. I was very hesitant and on the fence about the colour, but once I got it, it seemed to work very well. I’m thinking the same phenomenon might happen with a denim western shirt, but wanted to get your updated take on it.
I think that’s a good assessment. The nice thing about it is that it’s unusual, and definitely has a style. But it’s not a bold pattern or anything like that, and it has a very definite history, and so an authenticity. You can also pick a style that’s more or less showy, eg find one without chest pockets, or with a chest detail, or a blue that’s the same as your oxford colour, rather than a darker denim.
Alright, yes, that makes sense. How much wear would you say you get out of your Western shirts? Is it something you find yourself wearing a lot?
Yes. Not as much as a non-western denim, but still quite a lot
When you say non-western denim, what are you referring to?
A denim shirt without the western details – pearl snaps, yoke on back and front, etc
Hi Simon, an issue I struggle with regading western shirts is the sleeves cuffs. I have fairly slim wrists and it seems to me that when made with snap buttons they are impossible to narrow. And I really dislike too wide sleeves cuffs, going too much over my hand. Do you have the same issue?
I don’t Gab, but perhaps I’m fortunate in having arms that are more average length
Simon, where is that red bandana from? I’m I. Need of a good one.
It’s from a vintage shop – often they’re the nicest because they’re worn in and individual already
Hi simon any plans to review the bryceland teardrop chambray shirt, and perhaps have manish compare chambray shirts across brands?
Not currently, but certainly a good one for his list, thanks